cdnn blasts PADI unsafe at any depth

[MAXFACTOR]

 

THIS WILL BE DISTURBING TO MANY.    IF YOU READ THIS ARTICLE YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF ALOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAINING YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE RECIEVED.

I POST THIS WITH NO BIAS    JUST REPORTING THE FACTS    I SUBSCRIBE TO CDNN  AND I JUST READ THIS ARTICLE. 

ANY THOUGHTS AFTER YOU READ THIS YOU SHOULD POST.

[DiverQueen]

I'm NAUI certified....That took 5 whole evenings!  I stay within the "Limits" imposed by my open water "C" card!  I dive with people who have MUCH more experience than I.  And if I'm not comfortable with any aspect of the dive, I know when to say when!  To paraphrase "Diver: Know thyself!"

[JoeV]

This was an interesting article, as it takes PADI to task for placing its marketing concerns over diver education safety.  As a new diver I have experienced both a great deal of professionalism with PADI trainers and some who acted in a more lackadaisical fashion. 

I must agree with the statement that the dive operators in resort areas do not adhere to the recommended depth limits.  With the sinking of ships for resort divers to explore who are not wreck trained, this only makes the problem worse.

We need to emphasize that each of us take full responsibility for our own safety, and that all that PADI can do is provide us with the tools to do so.  In that regard, I would agree with CDNN that more training, not less, is needed.

[Diver_Dave]

I've never heard of the PADI "SCUBA diver" course. I got Open Water , then Advanced, and then started working on my specialties. I have to agree (and every instructor should be emphasizing this regardless of organization) that safety first, knowing your limitations, and confidence in your dive buddy should be determinig factors in your own personal decision making process. IMHO

[MAXFACTOR]

Hi ALL, 
After recieving a phone call from a diver who is a PADI cert. diver,  I was basically accused of slamming PADI.  That certainly wasn't my intention.  Nor is it allowed in the SDI professionalism statement. 

He indicated that my SDI training is no better or worse then any other dive training.  Of course I have my own opinion about training programs and that is why I have decided to go forward with the SDI Instructor program at GUDC, but to make it perfectly clear, I am in the SDI DIVEMASTER PROGRAM,  AND... I AM ALSO IN THE PADI DIVEMASTER PROGRAM. 

THE ARTICLE doesn't make me happy either.  SO please don't be crabby at me because some senior editorial staff writer for the worlds largest online diver free subscription service decided to blast PADI.  All I did was post it before one of you other divers would have.  (most likely)

Anyway   NO offense intended.  However, you have heard me say it many times on this board about TRAINING.......      CONTINUE TRAINING at whatever agency you want.  It would be interesting to know what percentages of cert  divers in each of the respective agencies continue on with further training.   

Maybe one of the great moderators can get a survey going from the local divers.    Something along the lines of   2 years after certification, how many specialty course have been taken etc.

LOVE YA ALL
MAXFACTOR     

[Magelk]

cdnn is not a great place for truthful information. Read through these threads.





I have seen more but can't find it now. I use to read their site but won't give them the web traffic anymore.

[wtdrm]

I don’t believe in "shooting the messenger" So don’t take it personal.

Know I'm just shooting from memory here. There are a few instructors that could set me straight.
I don’t think everybody knows what the "scuba diver cert" is. If I remember right, that cert. is given in what is commonly called a "resort course" there is an expiration of the card. I think some of the dives can count toward OW 1 or 2.
It also states that the diver cannot dive under any circumstance without an instructor. If the instructor ignores standards is his ass, not PADI's.

I did not read the article in its entirety, just skimmed through it. However in the 1st few paragraphs the author stated the "Divemaster". Was he just misusing the term or was the DM really an instructor. Lots of grey area here.



I have been a witness to the "scuba diver" class a couple of times. The 1st was in Mexico. I just listened in on the class. Just a 1-2 hour presentation of the basics and some pool work. She did a pretty good job.
The 2nd was in Jamaica last year. The instructors there did a truly outstanding job. There were 6 people from our group attending. So we were there from start to finish. I still applaud those two instructors for the job they did.
If anybody is interested I would dig up there names and website if anybody was going to Jamaica.

It is the age-old story; good education depends on the instructor and the reception of the student.

This will be a good post  However I think the person was off base slamming just PADI on this. I think all agencies have this in some form. I'm not a huge fan of PADI, for reasons other than their training. The fact of the matter is, if it were not for PADI diving training might still be the boot camp older divers talk about. That being said, we probably would not have had the avantage of more divers to advance the sport.
I would like to say more, but I have to pack. Keys here I come.
CJ

[MAXFACTOR]

maglak.....   I followed the link, I registered, I still can't see article.  I am sure if others did the same tonight, they could get the article either.  It says I'm a member,  but don't have access      example herein:

However, while I don't necessarily agree with your statement about they're slant on stories,  I have always used them for any manufacturer recalls, and have found the cdnn to have high quality and articles of interest.  I personally think its one of the best free sites with CURRENT EVENTS IN THE INDUSTRY. 
later gater.

MAXFACTOR

[Magelk]

shoot, it pops right up for me. I'll try something different maybe.

[Magelk]

actually, if you go to the decostop and search cdnn, you'll; find lots.


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